Hunting in Canada is tough. You have to be mentally prepared for life-and-death situations, you always got to be ready for anything. In this episode, Matthew Gatto explains the reasons why there is a smaller deer population in Canada. He presents the similarities and differences in hunting between the US and Canada and reveals how every hunt is a different learning experience. He shares some tips for US hunters who would want to try their hand at hunting in Canada. Learn about legalities and the proper reason for poaching.
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Oh Canada – Matthew Gatto
We’re heading north of the border with Matthew Gatto. Matthew lives at the north of Edmonton quite a bit and he works on the oil sands field. Matthew, welcome to the show.
Thanks for having me.
It’s exciting and I love talking to people from Canada. I was talking with Kevin McNeil, he said it was 30 below in a place called McLean, Alberta. I’m going, “That’s cold.”
It gets colder.
How cold does it get?
I’ve been there, it’s gone down almost 60 below. That was about a few years ago.
That’s ambient temperature, not wind chill?
That would be with the wind chill. It’s gone down to negative 40 without the wind chill.
That could kill a man.
If he is not prepared for it.
Let’s stay right there and I’ll share some of my Canadian stories along as we go. It’s 40 below, the bucks are rutting in November, is it they’re most active time?
Yeah, and towards the end of October, November that’s when they’re active. It depends on the time of year you go. Usually, if you go late-season then with all the other hunters, they’re pressured so they go pretty deep. That’s when you got to do a lot of tracking to find them because they won’t come out as normally as they would.
Why would I hunt late November? Down the states, October 21st, 22nd, 23rd someplace in there, it’s a seeking phase and then 26th through the 30th is the chasing phase, depending on where you’re at. The rut kicks in some places around the 7th, 8th, 9th of November for the rut. That’s pretty much the prime two or three weeks that you want to be on a tree stand. How’s that different up in Canada?
That’s about the same. I want to get in during the prime or in the heat of the rut. If you make a tree stand, I like to walk. Personally, I’m going to try and go earlier in the rut because with all the pressure from the other hunters, they get pushed in deep. It makes it more difficult for your average hunter, unless you know the area.
What does deep mean? Deep means to me smack dab in a river valley or a huge swamp. I was in Buffalo County and I couldn’t get into the swamp. Other guys could but I could not physically get into that swamp, it’s a huge swamp and big bucks. There’s no question, big bucks were there. Physically, I couldn’t get in there. That would be to me in deep.
We get pressured, they go deep in the bush where they know they can stay away from other hunters, predators, all that. They like to stay in the thick and they are spooky around the time of year I went. They get spooked easily, that’s pretty much it.
Every hunt is a learning experience. Share on XIf you drop into this deep stuff or thick stuff, there’s no food in there. “There’s not a lot of food,” do that and they turn completely nocturnal. Is that what they do?
Deer are primarily nocturnal and if you know your area and know where they could feed, where there is food available, it is your best spot. What I have to do and it was the last day of the hunt, I spent the day looking for a good spot to set up. It was on open field where they’ve been feeding, they had access to food. Me and a buddy, I was calling him in then a young buck came out of nowhere grazing. I saw the opportunity there. You got to know your areas too, know where the food is. It’s pretty much it.
I’ve heard and have seen firsthand that there’s not a whole heck of a lot of deer per square mile up in Canada. Why do you think that is?
It depends where you are. There are some areas where the population is thriving, a lot of areas where it’s gone down. The main reason is a lot of hunters in certain areas. The biggest reason is the wolf population is out of hand here in Canada.
You have the same problem we do in some states with wolf predation.
It’s bad and we’re trying to keep the wolf population under control, it’s difficult. They’re a hard animal to hunt or hard to come across. It’s also cold weather. The past couple of years, I’ve been talking to some conservation officers up here. They said the cold winter seasons had taken a toll on the animals and a lot of them haven’t been able to make it through the winter.
We’ve got predation, we get freezing cold.
From my experience, it wasn’t too promising as previous seasons because of the wolf population. It used to be pretty good then the wolf population got out of hand. That’s the biggest reason why the population has taken a hit is because of the wolves.
What’s the Crown doing about it?
There are some areas that offer bounties on wolves. They’re going to wolf call in western Canada. They’re hiring people, sending them out by helicopter and picking them off. You got to do what you got to do. You got to be able to maintain that population. That’s what they’re doing and for wolves, it’s an open season all year round as long as you’ve got a valid hunting license. That’s the steps they’ve taken.
You and I both know, forget about shooting it, to even see a wolf is tough, in my opinion.
It is tough. I’ve come across a couple, they’re smart animals. By the time you get your sights on them, they’re gone. They don’t stick around long. They’re definitely a hard animal to hunt. I’ve even been talking on trappers, what they do about it and they set up their trap lines for wolves and they have a hard time coming across them. You can try and call them in but it’s tough. You can set up a little spot, but once the wolf gets that feeling that something’s wrong or something’s out of place, they’re gone. You won’t see them. That’s what the trappers have been telling me, seasoned ones, at least.
The only wolf I’ve ever gotten was in British Columbia in and my guide voice called them in. He told me the key is we’re on one side of a river and they’re on the other side, we weren’t threatening them. He’s looking for this other wolf and he said, “If we were on the same land, he probably wouldn’t have come in.”
Most likely, that’s where I’m from British Columbia, I’m here on holidays. I grew up hunting in BC and he’s pretty much right about that. BC has taken a hit also with the wolf population. They’ve changed the regulations. In some areas, you’re allowed at least two bucks a year. In some areas, you’re only allowed one. Four in total, you’re allowed two-antlered deer. Now, it’s only one across the province because the deer population has taken a hit. The buck population is too low so they have to change the regulations again.
You hunt in Alberta or do you whitetail hunt in BC?
In Alberta because that’s where I live.
Did you come over for a job then?
In Alberta, yeah. I went there for work several years ago.
Good for you, it’s working out well. Long hours but the pay is pretty good.
It’s more money to be in the outdoors.
To buy toys, right?
That’s exactly what it’s for.
Let’s get down to your techniques, you said you got to know your terrain and that’s true. No matter where you hunt whitetails, the more you’re intimately knowledgeable about the terrain your hunting them and the better you can close the deal. Let’s talk about closing the deal in the bush in Alberta.
At your training, you want to scout your area well, learn about their habits. I’d like to do a lot of walking when I hunt. Sometimes I’ll set up and make a little blind and I’ll try and call something in. The one I got was a whitetail buck. It was a young one, but it was my last trip of the season, I had to put meat in the freezer. What I did was, go around I was like, “Here, this is where they feed. I see a lot of activity.” There’s food available here and there’s an old tree stand that was abandoned years ago. A buddy and I went up there. I laid some scent down. I made a couple of calls and some rattles. Ten minutes later, this young buck comes rolling in, looking around and he’s eating. That’s all I do. I try to do as much scouting as I can in the summers, spring, and summertime before I go out for my season and learn the area as well. Once you know your area, you can be more prepared for what that type of terrain is and what that area has to offer.
Do you look for funnels and pinch points or topographical features that will change how the deer are moving?
I look for all of that. Even during the season, I look for scrape marks and obviously footprints. You can see where they’ve been rutting and it seems like it’s a bit of a pattern in most areas.
In your estimation, how big is their home range for a mature buck? A mature buck over 150, 4.5 years old. What would you say a home range of that buck that’s up in your country?
I’ve only come across them honestly around farmland, they like to stay in there. They’ll come out after shooting time. That’s the only time I’ve seen them. You’re lucky enough if you can cut them off in the mornings when they’re going to jump back over the fence line there to their little safe haven.
Is it difficult to get those big bucks? Everybody hears about the Canadian monster buck, whether you’re in Saskatchewan, Alberta, parts of Ontario, even in some places in BC. A big buck isn’t the norm up there for a hunter to see?
It depends on the area and how well you know your area. I know people that have grossed well over a hundred. They’ve been hunting their area for so many years so they know it well and then also the whole deer population in certain areas plays a big factor.
Most of the guys and gals down here, they want to see a mature buck over 150. Any deer over 150 is a large buck. There are some people that shoot 180 to 200 all the time and good luck to you but that’s not the norm, it isn’t. I’ve heard in Canada that in a five-day hunt you manage to see one mature buck in the whole hunt because of the lack of density of bucks at any given area. Does that resonate with you?
Definitely, it does. I know Saskatchewan has got some big bucks. I got friends over there and they shot a monster whitetail. Even in Alberta, they’re seeing there are areas that they are hunting in and their population is starting to take a hit and because of the predator problem. From what I hear and the research I’ve done, it’s hit and miss now to see or to come across a monster buck. I’ve seen him at night. I hate when they all come out, but even during the day though, it’s pretty tough to come across them, they’re smart animals.
Your go-to technique is walking and I’m trying to understand, if I’m walking through the bushes, it’s tough. Where the heck am I walking?
After I learn an area, when I go there for the season for my hunting season, I look for scrape marks, I look for fresh tracks and then I go from there. If the tracks are fresh enough, I’ll follow them. I’ll try and call them in also. That’s what I do and I’m still learning. It’s a learning experience every day. Every hunt I go on, you learn more and more about it. I’m not going to come across some professionals.
People poaching for trophies are disgusting, they are not considered hunters at all. Share on XI’ve been hunting for a long time and I don’t have all the answers.
Neither do I. I even talk to people that have hunted for years and even they say it’s a learning experience every day. They’re always learning something new on their hunt and I completely agree with them there.
Are you hunting with a bow, rifle, muzzleloader, or crossbow?
A rifle. I’m looking to get a bow, getting ready for a deer hunt. I want to start to get in the bow hunting, I’m interested in it.
It gives you more time. I know in the States, in Wisconsin where I hunt predominantly, you can start sometime in September and the hunt ends or will end January 1st, that’s months of opportunity if you spend enough time in the woods. Even I can shoot a deer if I spend enough time in my tree stand.
If you have your tree stand set up in a good location. Also, our season ends at the end of November.
When does it start?
In September. For moose or elk, you don’t need to draw if you’re hunting with a bow. You go or you can go earlier and if you buy a general elk or moose tag, instead of having to get a draw for rifle season in summer and a lot of areas.
What are a few of the things that you’d recommend to people coming from the US into Canada either solo or hunters host or however you can you know do it? What are some of the recommendations you would make to them?
If you’re going to come up here, you’ll need a hunter’s host or a guide. Whoever’s taking you has to have that hunter’s host license or certificate for Alberta, for example. Make sure they do know the areas, generally if you’re going to be with a guide, they won’t know the area. Be prepared for the cold weather, if you’re coming late-season dress well for it. Never have too much gear, in my opinion. That’s about it. I’ve taken guys from out of province over Alberta and I tell them the same thing.
I always make sure I’ve got what I need for them. Make sure you got your tags. Make sure the guys are legal. Make sure he’s got his license. Dress for the weather, definitely. I brought my buddy and his dad out and it was colder this season. I took him out in the previous season and I told him, “We’re going to have a cold front come in, dress warmly. Bring a lot of warm gear.” They did so it was definitely a better time. Know your area, that’s the best advice I can give them. That’s what I tell everyone.
Explain the hunter host. What does that mean?
If you wanted to come to Alberta, I’d be your hunter host. I’d have to go online to buy my tags. I got to buy a hunter host license and then I have to get you a license for Alberta, you got to fill out an application and you get a hunter’s number. Once you’ve got your hunters number, when I fill out my hunter’s host license, I got to put in your name and your hunter’s number into the computer and then I got to submit it. That tells conservation and compels wildlife that you’re going to be hunting with me and it’s all legal. Once that’s submitted, I get a certificate as a hunter’s host and with your information down, who I’m hosting and you got to be within talking distance at all times.
It sounds like in the past people have said, “Come on up and we’ll go hunt.” You pay him a couple of bucks so they’re outfitting but they’re not outfitting. This takes the whole thing away, if you want to do that, invite me up then with this process you’re going to do that. We’re learning questions about who, what, where, and how. Is that it?
It’s essentially what it is.
That’s a good deal if you have friends in Edmonton, that’s good for any place in Alberta, the hunter host. Doesn’t Edmonton have an archery-only zone?
There are archery-only zones and then there’s Camp Wainwright, that’s a military base. You need to get a draw for it, every year they release so many tags for the draws.
Is it pretty good to elk hunt in Alberta? Somebody in the lower 48 or south of the border could come up and hunt an elk.
In the areas where I was hunting, I was asking around the populations have taken a big hit over the years they’re not as big as they used to be. We ran into a couple of herds of cow elk while we were hunting elk. No bulls, but the herd population has definitely gotten smaller from what I’ve been told. It depends on where in Alberta. I’m still trying to find a good spot for elk hunting, a place with a healthy population. I’m trying to stay away from areas where the population has taken a big hit. I want to see the population thrive again. The conservation of me is a big thing.
How did you get on the mountains west of Calgary? I know in the past has been some great elk hunting over in that country.
Apparently, it’s still pretty good. I don’t know the area is over there. I went more towards Grand Prairie, what the locals were telling me it’s taken a hit. It’s a hard area to hunt to because they all run late season. They all on the farmland, private land and no one wants to give you permission for that because they’ve had a lot of bad experiences with hunters in the past, which is unfortunate. It’s not a good name for us.
It’s like every other place in North America, unfortunately. I say that with sadness because we’ve done it to ourselves.
I know what you’re saying there, that’s true. It starts from somewhere. Everyone in my family, all the men are hunters. The way we were brought up, we all got to stick together here. I’ve had permission from a couple of people to hunt on their land. You got to be respectful about it. No one else starts in summer. Whoever has brought you up as a hunter? There are people that go on these farmers’ land and without permission and they’re driving on their crops, ruining their crops and it’s to the point where the people were doing more damage to their crops than the animals were. That’s the problem we’ve been having in Canada with hunters. Not a lot of people seem to respect the land anymore. That’s an unfortunate situation.
Our neighbors along the Baraboo River, do we drive on the fields? Yeah, but they’ve already picked. You leave gates as you found them. There isn’t a whole heck of a lot that you need to do it right.
Out of the city, that’s where they’re having a lot of problems from, supposedly. I don’t want to group them all together because I know some big hunters that live in the city that are respectful. It seems a lot of the complaints are people coming out of the city doing that sort of thing, which is unfortunate. It doesn’t give us hunters a good name at all.
You and I own the farm and I’m your dad and somebody comes over. What are we talking about, wheat, beans or corn? What kind of crop are we growing?
Most of the crops that we have are wheat. A lot of wheat farms where I was at. That was the majority of it.
What recourse do I have? You’re out there hunting and all of a sudden, these people come through with their 4×4 and they’re beating the crap out of my wheat field. What can we do?
I wouldn’t do that but some farmers in the past are taking their guns out. They’ll be like, “Get out of my land.” I’ll back him up on that. You’re destroying someone’s lifestyle. First of all, its private property, don’t do that. At least at games, you win super prizes it’s what they say. The cops aren’t doing anything about it up here. We don’t have enough conservation officers up here to be dealing with that stuff also. There’s a lot of poaching going on in Alberta. Numbers have gone up over the years and we don’t have the resources at the moment to be handling all these cases.
Is it poaching for eating or poaching for selling trophy rats?
There’s poaching for eating but poaching is poaching, I’m against it. Do it legally. People poaching for trophies are disgusting. I don’t consider people like those hunters at all.
They’re not, they’re thieves. They’re criminals. Have I’ve made mistakes in the field? You bet and I don’t care if you’ve hunted as long as I do, you’re going to make some mistake. You figure it out and you get on down the road. We get enough battles with people who are anti-hunters. I’ll leave it at that.
We had a problem in Alberta too. We’re supposed to be talking with whitetails, but I got a guy that came up for cougar hunting. His name is Steve Ecklund. He’s an ambassador for Cabela’s. I don’t know if you heard about it, it was all over Facebook. He harvested a cougar and he went through all the legal procedures. All of a sudden it hits the news and all the anti-hunters are on his Facebook page, even on his personal page. The comments were disgusting. I’m not going to say they’re all bad, some of them have a brain. They like to group poachers and hunters in the same group, which isn’t right at all. They got to learn their facts, these anti-hunters, because they don’t look at the research at all.
They flat out do not care. They’ve got their tunnel vision or whatever you want to call it and they say, “You’re wrong because you killed this cat and I’m going to castrate you. I would like to castrate you.” It gets worse than that, it does.
Once you know your area, you're always more prepared for the type of terrain and what that area has to offer. Share on XI have a scientific study from the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation. This is for whitetails. For example, in 900,000 there were only 500,000 whitetails. Hunters are the biggest contributors to conservation. Now, there are more than 32 million in North America. This is for North America. They got to look at studies like this.
They don’t care though. Until you’re blue in the face, you can show the data. Here’s how I’ve helped that. Cameron Hanes, he’s got a pretty good string on Instagram. It’s about some people that don’t understand, that by me shooting a cape buffalo is more humane than watching that cape buffalo get eaten alive by a pride of lions. There was another one they had where this grizzly bear on Yellowstone Park. The cow elk dropped her calf, as soon as she comes up the grizzly is eating that live calf. Anti-hunters don’t want to hear that. They’ll go, “That’s their right to do that.” Calf getting eaten alive, the bull a lot better.
Even the arguments, they’ve even said to me it’s like, “I get my meat from a store or the supermarket.” Like, “Do you not look into what cattle have to go through once they process that meat?” It’s disgusting.
The slaughterhouse is disgusting.
What we do is more humane. I haven’t met a hunter that doesn’t feel any remorse when they harvest an animal. There’s always that remorse because we took the life of an animal. We do appreciate it because there’s meat in the freezer. They don’t look at it like that, they think we’re out there for the thrill, for the joy of it, slaughter everything. They got to look outside their little world. From a different perspective is what they got to look at.
We could say they don’t have to do anything because they’re right and we’re wrong. Being thankful for every game animal I put down, it could be a duck, pheasant, elk, or whatever game I put down and I’m thankful for it. Why? It’s because of recreation and adventure. My trips up into Canada, I pulled the trigger but meeting people like yourself or somebody else and hanging out at some of these small towns. Talking to the farmers, the whole thing is the experience. It isn’t just killing something.
That’s why I love to hunt. They don’t choose to see it that way because they don’t want to. There are parts in Alberta where these anti-hunters go and they see a hunter, although try and disrupt the wildlife or hate. The hunter doesn’t get a chance to harvest an animal, which is also illegal. You got to be careful about what you post on social media. When I post my deer on Instagram and I want to share with people that follow me. They enjoy what I enjoy. I can’t remember her name though she was in the States, I believe. She committed suicide because she harvested a giraffe in Africa. I don’t know if you remember this.
No, I’m trying to think back.
She committed suicide. A couple of them have because all these anti-hunters go on their Facebook page and post disgusting comments where it pushes them to that point. It’s disgusting.
I would dump my Facebook page myself. I wasn’t aware of that, I’ll shut up.
It could take the joy in it, it’s like, “This offends you? It doesn’t matter to me.”
When you go to my Facebook page, my British Columbia wolf is right there.
I’m doing me and this is what hunters have to start to speak out and present more facts. When it comes to the anti-hunters, it seems like they have more of a voice than the hunters. There’s more of us hunters and we got to start speaking up more and presenting the facts. We’ve got to start fighting back because if you give these anti-hunters more of a voice and you’re going to see the way things change when it comes to hunting. In British Columbia, they banned grizzly hunting.
Why did they do that?
There was a Great Bear Rainforest and it was for trophy hunting. There’s a misconception in this trophy hunting. They think hunters leave the meat. You can’t do that in Canada. That is illegal. You got to take the meat. There are laws in place for a reason or else you face the consequences if you break them. You’ve got the wildlife back here and we got abide by it.
This was a few years ago, the mountain in a different room in my house. I went to Edmonton and I went to Lloydminster then I headed north, I rode along the Alberta border to the Saskatchewan border and for four days it is 21 degrees below zero. Four days from 7:00 to 4:00 every single day. You got to be mentally tough. I had the gear. I had everything I needed to wear but it was the mental process of being in that cold for that long, that many hours a day. I shot a nice 152 deer and that was my first trip up to Canada. Good mature deer, I was happy as heck and the funny thing is when I got him the sun came out, the temperature dropped. I sat outside my blind until the guy came and picked me up.
It’s most definitely rewarding. You’ve got to be mentally tough for it. Your deer can only go so far.
If you’re not ready for it, I know I got in the one blind up there and I called the guy after about two hours I said, “I can’t hunt out of this blind. I can’t do it come and get me.” We went back, had lunch and then went to another blind. You have to know that.
That’s another thing when I talk about if you’re going to come up to Canada to hunt, you got to be prepared and the mentality of it is definitely a thing. If you’re not mentally tough, if a situation arose that could be a life-and-death situation, you always got to be prepared for whatever’s thrown at you.
The other thing, and this happened to a friend of mine, He went up there and had a nice deer in front of him. I don’t know how big it is he said, “It was a big deer,” and then he pulled the trigger, it won’t clip because the firing pin had frozen because he didn’t degrease his firing pin. If you’re going to the north of the border, below zero, you need to take your firing pin apart and degrease that sucker or it won’t work at 20, 30 below zero.
I saw a video on it on the Field & Stream Facebook page. They posted a video on doing that. They say the same thing too. If luck is not on your side and that happens, you’re screwed.
If there’s a buck of your dream looking up at you going, “How are you today?” It’s not funny at all. It’s all these little things, that if you’re going to go north of the border when it’s cold, I’m not talking about September, October. I’m talking about November, onward. You need to get with your outfitter or who’s ever invited you up as a friend and figure it out because you’re spending a lot of money. I talked to a guy, $7,500 for nine days, $55 for five days, $1,000 a day plus airfare. It isn’t cheap to come up there. You owe it to yourself that if you have plans going to Canada, start your homework now. Talk to your gunsmiths say, “How do I make sure this thing’s degreased because if it’s not, it’s going to hang up and I’m screwed.” I’m talking about calibers because those are big deer, I mean 300-pound whitetails are the norm. No big deal.
I use a 300 Win Mag, .30-06 good all-around caliber.
I use a 165 Nosler and partition and my .30-06 stainless steel, that’s what I use. I can’t say that this too much if you’re going to do it, do it right. Don’t think you’ve got it figured out without talking to people up there, been there, done that and because if you don’t you could be in a world of hurt. Especially if the guide jeep or truck or snowmobile breaks down, what are you going to do?
Exactly, you’ve got to be prepared. My pack, when I’m walking, I have stuff like I’ll cover my ax, a lot of extra clothing, definitely. Firestarter, you can never carry enough. There are guys I know that will carry 40 pounds in gear to start a fire or something if their hunt went downhill.
Yeah, and it can.
This truck I was driving to a spot, all of a sudden my truck sank. I had to walk twenty kilometers out of the bush, that wasn’t fun.
How much is that States-wise, is it 20 miles, 10 miles, 15 miles?
It’s something like that. It was minus 20 at that time but still, it’s not fun. You’ve got to be prepared. It’s a learning experience for sure.
I wouldn’t like that because you can’t snuggle into a truck and wait until somebody comes by.
Not where I was, I was lucky enough to come across someone and then they ended up towing me out. They’re on the way and to pull the brother-in-law. I was like, “These guys help me out. I’m going to go help them out.” I did that then I ended up getting his brother-in-law pulled out because of how bad it was out there. Everything was fine, I owed him. It was swampy, it wasn’t good.
Folks, we’ve beaten around the bush and that’s a pun intended. Matthew, thank you for being a guest on the show. I look forward to seeing your pictures. If I ever get up in that country, I’d love to buy you a beer.
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Stay tuned for the next episode. We’re heading up to New Hampshire and Shawn Mackie. He’s going to be our guest and Shawn does a heck of a lot of things and right off the bat. Shawn, thank you for your service to our country. I know recovery’s been a little bumpy road, but you’re getting back at it. Shawn loves to hunt whitetails, but he does it, to be honest, neighbor’s house, his house, his brother’s house in real small plots that he’s got some great stories. He’s also a dog musher and he loves to do that. He’s got a dog to help him get the deer out of the woods. Shawn is one heck of a guy and I’m sure you’re going to enjoy reading about Shawn Mackie from New Hampshire.
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About Matthew Gatto
I’ve been hunting since I was 18. 7 years now. I prefer a rifle when hunting. As a hunter I like to think of myself as a conservationist. When I’m in the field I like to scope areas with my truck then go by foot to learn the area more. I like to lay scent out then I will call and rattle deer in. Depending on the time of year I’ll either sit and wait or walk and stalk
I’m fortunate enough to have some experience in commerical, residential, and industrial work. I definitely enjoy residential with all the issues you face and can learn from. As for the industrial experience I worked in Fort McMurray Alberta for 5 years on site at Syncrude. As for plumbing on site the work I performed was, backflow testing and repair, furnace and boiler troubleshooting and repairs. I switched over to work with the pipe fitters and in that line of work I was taking field measurements, bending stainless tubing for steam tracing, installing steam traps, tracing lines and properly isolating them, beveling pipe, tacking pipe, and assisting the welders.
My free time consists of being with my friends, family, or out in the outdoors, the three things I’m passionate about.