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Welcome to another episode of Whitetail Rendezvous. This is Bruce Hutcheon, your host. Today, we’re going to head north of the border up to O’ Canada and talk with Gary Gillett. Gary is the owner of Hunting Film Tours. Gary, welcome to the show.
Gary: Yeah, pleasure meeting you, Bruce. Thank you very much for having me in the show. Look forward to chatting.
Bruce: We’re going to talk about whitetails. But I want our listeners both up in Canada and here in the States to understand a little bit about Hunting Film Tours. Let’s spend a few minutes on that.
Gary: Yeah, sure. We can do a quick, brief overview here, Bruce. The Hunting Film Tour was born . . . the concept was born several years ago. In fact, we kind of stole the concept from Warren Miller Entertainment. If you remember who Warren Miller is, he pioneered adventure film-making back in the ’50s. He built an iconic brand in the ski film industry.
Long story short is I approached the Warren Miller Group about eight or nine years ago . . . probably 10 years ago, now. Those discussions led to a couple of key executives leaving the company and joining me and what we’ve done is we’ve purchased a small fly fishing film tour and we just finished wrapping up our tenth year on tour with that and we visited 162 cities. It’s become sort of the iconic tour in the fly fishing outdoor space. On the back of that, we launched The Hunting Film Tour two years ago and we’re just getting set to launch year three on August 1st.
Bruce: What type of content do you have?
Gary: You know, we’re very specific in the quality of content and the types of content we want to feature on the show reel. The show reel is composed of about 10 to 12 short films; they vary in length from four to 12 minutes. We really, specifically try and handpick pieces that have a conservation message. They’re adventures from all over the world and they’re story-driven content shot with great cinematography, edited to really good, handpicked music and they really showcase the athletes or the personalities. It’s not a copy of Hook and Bullet TV. It’s quite different from television.
Bruce: We’ve got a lot of listeners out there, Gary, like I said, here in the States and Canada. What type of content are you looking for today in the whitetail industry?
Gary: Our show reel is composed of adventures of all sorts. It includes wing shooting, upland, waterfowl, muzzleloader, archery hunts, rifle hunts. A few of the things I shy away from; one would be crossbows. Two would be long-range shooting. It just doesn’t make for really great film and video. Part of the magic is seeing those animals and the wildlife up close and personal on the big screen is really cool. The one anchor piece to the film show reel every year is a big whitetail segment. It’s the one piece that seems to resonate with the masses the loudest. It bridges all age generations and people from Alabama up the East Coast to the West to northern Canada can relate to it. It’s the one thing that we search for is a gothic whitetail piece.
Bruce: Listeners, if you have some pieces, and at the end of the show, Gary is going to tell you how to get a hold of him. But just be thinking as you’re listening, “Hey, I’ve shot some footage and it’s in HD and the sound’s pretty good.” Just think about that, that’s all.
Gary, let’s just turn to a prized possession you just acquired. In the warmup, we were talking about your new piece of property. I want to hear more about that.
Gary: It’s a dream come true for myself. It’s something that I’ve been shopping for for many years and I finally have the resources to acquire some real estate here in central Alberta. It’s not new; the Quality Deer Management Association in the U.S. have it down to a real refined art. I believe just the population and the dynamics of the industry landscape in the U.S. people have owned and managed, really intensively manage their farms for whitetail, both superior genetics and growth and nutrition. They’ve learned how to use agriculture in that sort of outdoor space.
In Canada, it’s really unknown and we’re just so blessed with resource here. It’s illegal in Alberta to pay a landowner for access. So it’s a handshake when you go knock on the farmer’s door, it’s the kind of thing where they just welcome you or they say “No.”
As the population grows, I look into the future and think that that’s going to change. I was looking for a very specific piece of habitat and what I did was I found 160 acres that’s landlocked on three sides by private ground end of a dead end of the road and it backs on to greater than 20 sections of crown land. It’s right in the heart of prime whitetail genetics up in the Athabasca region.
I’m really excited to try and manage that property. Remove the grazing component off it. Really start managing the food and the nutrition and the genetics and access to it and start managing that deer herd. One of the inevitable things is getting in the trapping; we’re looking at getting into trapping coyotes and wolves and trying to take some of that predation away and really try and manage that deer and elk that lives here. It’s going to be quite exciting.
Bruce: As I understand from talking with Kip Adams at Quality Deer Management, they do have a Canadian representative there. Have you talked to him yet?
Gary: You know, I haven’t. It’s funny you say that; I have it bookmarked in Google and I was searching around the QDMA website and I kind of navigated my way to the Canadian side of the border and I think it’s probably a fairly useful organization up here, but I believe the depth and breadth of the knowledge is invaluable. Taking all of those decades of learnings and biological information. My background, I have a resource management degree, so I’m quite excited to apply some of my education with some insights specific to whitetails and really monitor the results over a period of years. I think it’s going to be a really fun project.
Bruce: After the interview, Rob Argue is the gentleman up there. I haven’t gotten him on the show yet, but he’s on the list. I’ll make sure you guys connect.
Gary: That would be wonderful. I appreciate all your efforts, for sure.
Bruce: That’s what we do at Whitetail Rendezvous. I get kind of a chuckle out of your logo because . . . I’m going to pull it up here, just give me a second. “Hunting Film Tour enhances, conserves and educates.” That’s part of the mission statement. At Whitetail Rendezvous we educate, collaborate and communicate about whitetail hunting.
Gary: Very cool. It’s funny you zoned in on the logo because there’s a lot of thought put into that. And we sat around with ourselves and some of the key business partners we have [inaudible 00:21:35] and some of the folks. When we created that logo . . . you look at a lot of the logos in the industry and we tried to create something that was generic and the focal point that we always talked about was Apple Computers or the Nike swoosh and how do we create something that’s universal in brand image, but will resonate with the masses? If you’ll notice on that logo, there’s a whitetail antler. It was by design.
Bruce: Yep. With Whitetail Rendezvous we have a microphone with antlers . . . whitetail antlers coming out of it. Anyway, enough about that. Let’s talk about your land because that’s one of the questions that I ask most of my guests and I said, “You just acquired a new 100-acre whitetail parcel. What are the first ten things you would do and why?” That’s a standard question that I ask our guests. So I’m going to throw that out to you, Gary and let’s talk about that for a couple of minutes.
Gary: Sure. Off the top of my head, I don’t know if I have a list of ten yet, that’s a great question. But I’d say number one, in the past it’s been rented out and there’s been a lot of cattle put in there. I’m going to remove that grazing component and let the land get back to its natural state. That’s the first thing I’m planning on doing.
The second thing is restrict access. It was very strategically positioned, but I’m going to post it and really just really close it down and not allow . . . be diligent on the trespassers and it was chosen in the fashion of there’s no drive-by shooting over the fence or stuff like that. I’d say the third thing and probably 3 through 10, is I’m really going to crack down on the predation. It amazes me, the number of coyotes and wolves in the area. I think it’s a subject that not a lot of people talk about. But it’s a reality in trying to manage an ungulate herd and it doesn’t matter if it’s elk, moose in the mountains, whitetails out in the farmland. Wolves have expanded their range and it’s not by chance. I just went and pulled a trail camera last week and I have my first picture of a wolf on a trail camera on the property.
When I sit in the tree stand there, there’s lots of deer and moose around. But the one thing that there is every day is that there’s a pack of coyotes that light up at dark every single day. So I think if a person makes a concerted effort to do some trapping and hunting of the predators, it’s going to make a big impact on the numbers and quality of deer.
Bruce: I couldn’t agree more. The 1,000 acres that I’ve been hunting for really a long time in Wisconsin because of relationships with other people. They graciously have invited me into the family. Two years ago, we saw our first breeding pair of wolves. Wisconsin does have a wolf management program. They allow hunting, shooting and trapping. But that’s the biggest concern we have right now. Because we get very good deer coming off the river bottom up to the crops and we’re very concerned of that as a lot of people that have invested a lot of time into their deer herds.
Gary: Yep, absolutely. I think the final thing I’m going to do is really make an effort to manage the property in terms of it’s very diverse. It’s been partially logged off. It has lots of second growth. It has a nice mix of small clearings with interconnected trails. Big, dark black spruce swamps, a small pine ridge that runs through the middle of it. It’s got every element of habitat that you would want. A creek running through it, tons of [inaudible 00:25:10]. Now, it’s about managing the food supply and the quality of food through the different seasons. Giving them all the nutrition and minerals they need to grow healthy and strong.
Bruce: Let’s stay on the whitetail just for a little bit and I want to get on the components of what you’re doing. But let’s talk about the hunting tradition and where that came from.
Gary: You know, for me, it’s kind of a fun question because I grew up a city kid and I grew up in the city with absolutely no family members or exposure to the outdoors. I believe it’s in your blood from being a young kid or it’s not. If children are allowed or given the opportunity to be exposed to the outdoors, I think it’s very rare that they don’t take an active and natural interest in it.
For me, my parents just kind of let it flourish and it’s kind of funny, they probably don’t have it today. But in my junior high school, there was a rifle range in the basement and a rifle club. That involved hunter education and everything that surrounds shooting and participation in the shooting sports. That’s kind of where my interest grew and I’ve never looked back. From a young age, it’s kind of taken over my life, to be honest.
Bruce: Who gave you the best advice about hunting whitetails?
Gary: You know, that’s another really good question because honestly, I didn’t have any mentors when I was growing up. I hit the field completely blind and I’d say my best resource was magazines, whether it be “Field & Stream,” or “Outdoor Life” or “Sports Afield.” The old magazines that were kind of the go-to publications back in the day and I took those lessons out of the pages and applied them in the field and learned, honestly, through the School of Hard Knocks.
I think it took me . . . from the age of 16 on, it probably took me four or five years to kill my first deer with a bow. I’ve always bow hunted; I’m not much of a rifle hunter. It’s quite interesting to finally put a buck on the ground. I remember it vividly in the country where I did it; it’s all suburbia-ville now. It’s all been subdivided.
Bruce: Oh, wow.
Gary: Yeah. It’s interesting, you know?
Bruce: Yeah, it is. Things change and we have to adapt. One of the most adaptive creatures on planet earth is the whitetail deer.
Gary: I couldn’t agree more.
Bruce: How about a couple “Aha” moments? The moment when you go “Oh, I should have thought about that yesterday.” You got it today and you own it for the rest of your life, but share a couple of those “Aha” moments with us.
Gary: Related to whitetails, I would say . . .
Bruce: Yes.
Gary: You know, there’s so much effort and focus and buzz surrounding the rut. For me, I think one of the most interesting things I’ve learned and I can probably attribute this to some friends in Saskatchewan is a lot of opportunity arises during the rut and you see a lot of those big bucks. But I would say what I’ve learned is most people, in late August and early September, are focusing their efforts on antelope, elk, different species. I would say that you have an equally or greater chance of patterning and harvesting a really good whitetail on opening morning. And really focusing your scouting efforts through August when they’re in their bachelor herds and in their summer routines and very predictable in their travel patterns. You can throw all that out the window during the rut.
Bruce: Let’s talk about your archery gear. Since you’re an archery hunter and have been for a long time. Tell us about your broadheads and your sights and your compound.
Gary: Yep, absolutely.
Bruce: Or maybe you shoot recurve or maybe you’re traditional. I don’t know.
Gary: You know, I’m a bit of a gear junkie. I’m an engineer by education and by nature. So to me, it’s black and white in numbers and I love tinkering with compound bows. I love buying new bows and setting new bows up and doing that kind of thing. I’ve been shooting a carbon bow for several years now and probably one of the most interesting things are I see a lot of different . . . the evolution of equipment in the industry. I see my friends and people around me all the time changing their sights and changing this and changing that and I’ve kind of stuck to a certain formula. I don’t use a drop away rest, I use a pronged rest. I just like simple. I don’t like moving parts on my bow or strings or things that are tied to things because I think when you go on the remote hunts in the territories and stuff, it’s just one more thing to go wrong in a very remote location. It’s difficult to fix.
In terms of sights, I love fixed pins. I’d say the majority of shots I get, although you play it in your mind how you want it to play out, you have all the time in the world to draw and anchor and settle your pins in and squeezed that shot off. That’s rarely how it goes down in the real world and I find a lot of times, the opportunities present themselves very quickly and don’t last very long and you better be on your game. I just don’t think any type of sight that you move or have to move for yardage allows you enough time to do so.
The one thing I will say that I’ve changed recently, I’ve been a hard and true fan of fixed-blade broadheads for years because that’s what I grew up on. That came with paper tuning and real fine tuning arrows and arrow weights and how they fly. For several years, this revolution of fixed blade versus the alternative, I fought it for a long time. I finally tried 2-Blade Rage Broadheads and I’m not saying this because they are involved in the tour or anything. But I can honestly say those things amaze me, they absolutely amaze me. They fly exactly like a field point. I shot a musk ox, probably half a dozen bears, an elk, some deer, a goat and those things absolutely work flawlessly. I cannot believe how effective they are.
Bruce: Now, do you use a release or do you shoot fingers?
Gary: I do shoot a release, yep. I believe handicapping yourself with archery gear . . . I choose not to handicap myself through technology beyond being an archer. I like the efficiency and the accuracy of using a release. I try and limit myself through hunting truly trophy animals. I love the challenge. I love everything that surrounds understanding the biology of all the different species and really targeting individual animals that have grown up and spread their genes for many years and they’re getting long in the tooth; 11 and 10 and 12 year-old sheep. Old goats, old deer. I think it’s a really neat element to work into your hunting when you progress for your career.
Bruce: Now, are you hunting off of the ground, up in the air, from a tripod stand or a fixed stand?
Gary: I’d say for my deer, the majority of people up here hunt out of tree stands. There’s a bit of a ground blind revolution for sure, especially if it involves a sitting [inaudible 00:32:23] for any type of field or any type of food source. But I still love the feeling of sitting in an elevated position. I love being out in the cold air and it’s brisk. You can feel the wind on your face and you have to kind of put some thought into your equipment system gear. I just love the experience of sitting 10, 15, 20 feet up and the view you get and having little birds come and land on you and squirrels sitting next to you. All the neat little creatures that you get to experience when you’re sitting and waiting for an opportunity in the deer you’ve named for the last six years.
Bruce: Let’s talk about scent clothes. I don’t know, maybe you have some sponsors and you can sure shout them out. Scent clothes are using carbon impregnated clothes as well as scents. That there’s a plethora of scents out there that you can put out. Let’s talk about that for a little bit.
Gary: Sure. I think there’s no end to how scientific and how complicated you can make it. At the end of the day, I believe there’s merit in scent clothing. The challenge here is in Canada, when you go up and sit in your tree stand, it’s often 20, 25 below Celsius. That’s one of ten layers that you’re going to be wearing. I find it virtually impossible; it truly is virtually impossible in cold weather to manage your scent to that degree. I think a lot of those work in milder climates where you don’t have so many layers on. But it’s very difficult to just manage all those different layers.
I truly believe the most effective scent control is placing your stand properly and having a variety of stand locations to choose from so that you’re really playing the wind and hunting each stand, but only when the wind is correct and not forcing the issue and trying to rely on any other means. I don’t think it’s possible to beat a whitetail’s nose.
Bruce: Let’s end this little segment here with scent attractants. The doe in rut or the doe in heat scents. Do you use those?
Gary: I have on occasion. It’s interesting, I really believe in them. I’ve dragged scents in and I’ve never had the experience where I see that one big old deer that I’ve been targeting walking with his nose in the ground. But in the tracks or in the scent drag that I’ve created.
The other challenging thing is again, I’ve tried those drip systems. I think they would be absolutely awesome hunting an active scrape with a drip system on it. The challenge is, none of those drip systems work when it’s 25 below. They’re always frozen up.
Bruce: Nothing works. Nothing works [inaudible 00:35:12].
Gary: To me, I walk by and I’ll shoot a shot of scents in there. It’s just kind of trying to put as many tools in your arsenal as you can to tip the odds in your favor. But I still believe scouting proper stand location and wind direction are 90% of the battle.
Bruce: Let’s switch it up a little bit. In the warmup, we talked somewhat about conservation. Spend a couple of minutes talking about that.
Gary: You know, that’s really the grassroots and the whole foundation of what we’re building at The Film Tour. It’s all about conservation. It doesn’t matter if you talk to . . . it’s really interesting. The basket of partners and business partners I’m bringing into The Film Tour, into the mix, they’re all like-minded. The executive teams think exactly alike and that is, their business is here to champion conservation and hunting is conservation and it’s a really important message to get out there.
In today’s day and age with social media, the Internet, there’s so much misinformation out there. There’s so much conflict between sort of the neutral group and the anti-hunting group and the pro-hunting groups. It rises right to the highest levels of government.
What we’re trying to do is champion that message that hunting is conservation. All of these pro-hunting organizations for example–Boone and Crockett Club, Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, Ducks Unlimited–it goes on and on . . . the Wild Sheep Foundation. Several of them are partners on The Film Tour.
But more importantly, it’s important for the masses and people to understand that these conservation groups that are funded and founded by hunters are the reason that we enjoy the wildlife populations and the great habitat enhancement and protection that we have today. That’s what’s missed in this whole environmental argument, this whole anti-hunting . . . there’s a lot of misinformation that they have that I think we’re just trying to set the record straight and say “These are all the pros of why hunting is so important not only for a conservation perspective, but also the economic engine of the outdoor industry is founded on hunting.”
Bruce: And it’s a huge industry. It’s a billion-dollar . . . multiple billion-dollar industry.
Gary: Yeah, bang on.
Bruce: Here in the States I’m fortunate to have a seat at the table in some places. The biggest challenge we have is educating people about the role of a hunter and the role of a wildlife manager and the role of the biologist and the role of regulations so we can regulate the herds. So we can grow the herds. So we can maintain them. There’s some people in our land that just . . . they won’t listen to what I think is a valid hypothesis or thesis about the role of hunting.
Gary: Yeah, I agree. A lot of the films that were getting submitted. It’s really interesting to sit back . . . as a tour owner and with my management team and all the partners involved, we choose the films that get to go on tour. There’s always a variety of opinions of what is the best, what’s going to resonate the loudest. It’s quite interesting to sit at the back of a theater, engage the audience’s reaction and a lot of times, you’re very surprised in what resonates with the masses.
I would say two things that really stand out. One is humor. Any unscripted, true to heart humor that surfaces on a well-produced piece always strikes a chord with the audience. The second thing is anything that has a conservation message that surrounds a certain species or a real in-depth, historical perspective or look back. For example, we just had one tour, it was all about Houndsmen out of Montana and he gave a conversation perspective on cats. It was just fantastic. They’re not necessarily always the best films or edited pieces. But the depth of story in that conservation message really resonates loudly to the point where I’ll see couples leaving and you can see a young guy that brought his girlfriend that clearly isn’t a hunter. But she leaves intrigued and pleasantly surprised at what she just saw. It wasn’t what she expected. After seeing television and stuff, they leave the films going “Wow, that was really cool.” I see that anywhere from five-year-olds up to 85-year-olds, male and female.
That’s what we’re trying to accomplish, is getting that message out there.
Bruce: Gary, we’re at the point of the show where you’re going to have an open mic for a couple of minutes. You can tell people how to get a hold of you, check out your tour on the Internet; Facebook or Twitter, LinkedIn, Instagram . . . wherever you’re scheduled.
Gary: Yeah, for sure.
Bruce: Wherever you’re listed. Why don’t you take a minute or two and just talk to people about “Hey, we’re Hunting Film Tour and this is where you can get.” Of course, you’ve got some sponsors; I’m looking at your website and you’ve got some darn good ones, so give them a shout-out, too.
Gary: Okay. So Hunting Film Tour can be found at HuntingFilmTour.com. We’re just getting set to kick off our third year. Our tour is going to be . . . we were pleasantly surprised last year. We grew into Canada, so we’re covering all of North America.
Right now, we’re looking at launching August 1st. We’re going to have 22 corporate tour stops in the U.S. and 11 . . . I apologize 22 corporate tour stops this summer in the U.S. and 11 in the winter. The tour is going to the point in the U.S. that we have to split it and we’re going to attack both seasons now. Sort of the preseason leading up to hunting season as well as the winter show season.
We’re going to have probably around 20 shows in Canada. You just go on our website, you can click on “Tour Schedule” and you can see where all the show dates and times are. You can purchase tickets online or tickets will also be available at a local retailer in each market. All the information will be found online.
The real neat thing about the tour; we’re getting tons of requests for shows beyond where I have the ability to send my crews. We’ve created a program called the IP Program or Independent Promotion where groups can license the show reel. For a modest fee, we give you full support. We send you the DVDs and Blu-Ray or DVD . . . whatever you need for your local theater. Then you can champion a show in your local market.
One of the real neat things, we probably did about 30, 35 shows last year under that model. What’s starting to really take off is working with the conservation groups. Outside of the traditional banquet model, they’re looking at The Hunting Film Tour as a neat way to have a fun evening out experience. Bring your families, bring your kids. Get everybody out and tell some lies during intermission and give some gifts away and stuff like that. Then all the proceeds are being used to fund their local conservation groups.
We’re really proud to be signed up . . . Ducks Unlimited, Inc. this year joined the tour. We had Wild Chief Foundation last year. The Boone and Crockett Club has been on board since day one, so that’s pretty exciting. I think it’s only a matter of time before we end up talking with the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation and others and they follow suit.
In terms of state organizations, South Dakota Wildlife Federation . . . they hosted one show last year. They’re doing four shows this year with their chapters. Backcountry Hunters & Anglers two years ago did one show; this year, they’re doing ten shows. It’s growing and it’s growing very rapidly and I’m really pleased with the response and support from these local conservation groups. It’s really fun to work with them and make a difference, for sure.
Bruce: How about some of your sponsors? You get a presenting sponsor, I know. Why don’t you give them a shout-out?
Gary: You know, I’m really proud to have Sitka Gear on board this year. Sitka Gear is obviously one of the leading apparel companies in the industry. It’s part of Gore Company. They’re so innovative in everything that they’re doing. The way they think, the way they market themselves. They’re really the founding father in the hunting industry of the short film.
When we met them, they were looking for a platform and a forum to kind of showcase that marketing perspective and really proud to be championing the Sitka Gear brand. We’re going into year three of a three-year contract and I’m pleased to say that I just got back last night from Bozeman and we signed another three-year contract with them. So–
Bruce: ‘Atta boy. Good for you.
Gary: We’re exceeding the growth expectation and everybody’s happy. Going forward, real proud to have Boone and Crockett, Ducks Unlimited on board, Kenetrek Boots has been on board since day one. Geo Cliff, which is a really cool energy drink; they’re very active in the CrossFit space. They’re the go-to nutritional supplement drink at CrossFit. They’re championing our tour. A real great firearms company, Kimber Firearms, which I’m just super stoked to have those guys on board. We have Vortex Optics, everybody knows who they are. Yeti Coolers, that’s a no-brainer. They’re the flagship brand in the outdoor industry. Then this year, we’re also adding Federal Ammunition as well. A whole bunch of brands; we’re trying to handpick brands that are leaders in each category and that they can have exclusivity in their space and be complementary to one another. It’s really exciting behind the scenes because I’m seeing a lot of collaboration between the groups and I think that’s going to continue to grow as the years roll forward here.
Bruce: Gary Gillett from Hunting Film Tour, it’s been a privilege to go north of the border and spend some time with you today. Listeners, think about the things that Gary said. One, about conservation. Two, about predation and the impact on your whitetail herd. Finally, if you’ve got a [inaudible 00:45:30]. If you think you’re the next . . . I’m trying to pick one name and I can’t, so I’m not going to pick anybody’s name. But if you’ve got an HD camera and you think you got game, then get on Gary’s website. It’s HuntingFilmTour.com and submit.
Gary: Absolutely.
Bruce: I’ve learned a long time ago, if I didn’t submit my articles, I was never going to get published. I’m fortunate that I’ve linked up with goHUNT.com and they’ve published some of my work and I couldn’t be happier. But it took . . . the journey was arduous. It’s not easy. Remember that, listeners. Just echo on that if you would for a second.
Gary: You know, we have a “Submit Film” button at the top of the webpage. I couldn’t agree more with you. What appears to be an overnight success has been ten years in the making. Anybody that’s been in business for themselves will tell you the same thing. Case in point, last year, we had a big name filmmaker feature the whitetail piece on the show reel. This year, I always try and champion the underdog on occasion and I have two young guys; one out of Montana, one out of Mississippi, I think. But just young guys out of college, never made a film before. It’s a story of a young guy and he’s had some health challenges and how hunting changed his life after he had to quit hockey because of his health. In particular, his story about chasing this big deer that they called Moose, a 196-inch non-typical whitetail and he harvested it on camera with his bow and it’s a real touching story. They made me a six-minute movie about it that’s going to be one of the crown jewels of the show reel this year.
You never know what film is going to make it. So if you have anything that’s great, feel free to submit it for review.
Bruce: Again, Gary Gillett, thank you for being on Whitetail Rendezvous. That’s a wrap and thank you again, listeners, for making all this possible. Go out and make it a fine day.
Gary: Thank you very much.